tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post1321055150485079654..comments2024-03-22T05:48:26.129-05:00Comments on Braves & Birds: An Outstanding Draft Article by John HollingerMichaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08365733949431139562noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-2192972943943928472007-06-28T08:08:00.000-05:002007-06-28T08:08:00.000-05:00Also, it goes without saying, but I really hate th...Also, it goes without saying, but I really hate the Atlanta Spirit.peacedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15474788565660706482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-52965252471828785642007-06-28T07:33:00.000-05:002007-06-28T07:33:00.000-05:00Conley isn't 100% can't miss and the suggestion is...Conley isn't 100% can't miss and the suggestion is absurd. <BR/><BR/>Also, if you want to start naming guards that are 5'11" or 6'0", we'll have to name all the guards that were that size and came into the league and failed miserably. Believe me, they vastly outnumber the guys who made it. And more than a few of them had serious talent. <BR/><BR/>Concerns over Conley's height are valid. His hieght is talked about too frequently in the media, but that doesn't obviate the reasonable concern.peacedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15474788565660706482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-39422808316065268042007-06-28T05:13:00.000-05:002007-06-28T05:13:00.000-05:00can we stop saying that Mike Conley Jr. is too sma...can we stop saying that Mike Conley Jr. is too small to play? (5'11 3/4" without shoes)<BR/><BR/>a fraction above 5'11" w/o shoes (examples: TJ Ford, Jameer Nelson, Allen Iverson, Chris Paul, Raymond Felton, Eddie House, Damon Stoudamire, etc.) <BR/><BR/>is not that far from a fraction above 6'0" (examples: Jordan Farmar, Mo Williams, Earl Watson, Jamal Tinsley, Chris Duhon, Janero Pargo, Salim Stoudamire etc.) <BR/><BR/>or 6'1" w/o shoes (examples: Deron Williams, Devin Harris, Delonte West, Ben Gordon, Luke Ridnour, Charlie Bell, Tony Parker, Steve Nash) etc.) so quit the too small talk already.<BR/><BR/>most "BIG" point guards listed at 6'3 and above are really just 6'2" or a fraction above 6'2"(examples: Baron Davis, Gilbert Arenas, Marcus Williams, Chauncey Billups, Jarret Jack, Randy Foye, Monta Ellis, Beno Udrih, Kirk Hinrich, Smush Parker, etc.)<BR/><BR/>5'11 versus 6'2" isn't really all that bad if you think about it, especially since these guys are playing as guards where they are using more of their quickness and speed to advantage, as opposed to height, heft and strength. (example: Tony Parker's speed and quickness beats Deron William's "size advantage" in the playoffs)<BR/><BR/>do you realize that a lot of the best big men in the NBA today are just more or less 6'7" (w/o shoes)?<BR/><BR/>examples: 6'5" to 6'7" "big" guys (power forwards and centers)<BR/><BR/>Elton Brand, Carlos Boozer, Ben Wallace, Sean May, David Lee, Ike Diogu, Shelden Williams, Tyrus Thomas, Chuck Hayes, Jason Maxiell, Craig Smith, Paul Millsap, Kenyon Martin, Mike Sweetney, Reggie Evans, etc.<BR/><BR/>point is height is not a good reason not to take a talented ball player. <BR/><BR/>point is... the fact that Mike Conley Jr is just a fraction above 5'11" (as are Chris Paul , TJ Ford, Ray FElton, etc.) is not a reason not to take him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-60245395543136058492007-06-27T23:12:00.000-05:002007-06-27T23:12:00.000-05:00according to espn, one of the spirit owners, belki...according to espn, one of the spirit owners, belkin, doesn't want stoudemire, and while knight wants hortford, another spirit owner, michael gearon jr, wants yi<BR/><BR/><BR/>i miss the days when ted owned the hawks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-22087642248614575142007-06-27T15:56:00.000-05:002007-06-27T15:56:00.000-05:00Knight has to win next year. For that reason he ca...Knight has to win next year. For that reason he can't risk a rookie PG running team so I can't see him pulling the trigger. <BR/><BR/>I expect (hope) a move for a more seasoned PG with #11 pick and Horford at #3 (Horford is 100 percent more NBA ready than Conley).<BR/><BR/>Amare might go a long way towards winning next year...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-60097684588937948732007-06-27T14:42:00.000-05:002007-06-27T14:42:00.000-05:00It's true, Conley is a small, less-than-strong poi...It's true, Conley is a small, less-than-strong point guard without a three-point shot who has benefitted tremendously from playing with a dominant big man. These would be valid complaints if the EXACT same description didn't apply to the regining NBA Finals MVP. Conley is 100 percent can't-miss, and I seriously doubt anybody who watched him throughout last NCAA season would disagree.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, the Hawks are in a position where even Knight can't screw this up--both Horford and Conley are future All-Stars. They're both the right answer. Of course, Knight will probably take Yi ...Jerry Hinnenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15097537044668238939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-28759541823385290082007-06-27T10:46:00.000-05:002007-06-27T10:46:00.000-05:00The Hollinger article is terrific, and I look forw...The Hollinger article is terrific, and I look forward to seeing his method refined over the years.peacedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15474788565660706482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-81508640876703104922007-06-27T10:34:00.000-05:002007-06-27T10:34:00.000-05:00joel, he may be. That's one of the rumors I've co...joel, he may be. That's one of the rumors I've come into this AM. Actually, that was an alternative to a larger (multi team) deal, and I'm not clear what the Suns were getting. Anyhoo. . .<BR/><BR/>I'll second the Boykins no-vote.peacedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15474788565660706482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-75419220304814845882007-06-27T10:24:00.000-05:002007-06-27T10:24:00.000-05:00some guy on ESPN news reported Hawks may be close ...some guy on ESPN news reported Hawks may be close to securing Luke Ridnour for #11 pick. <BR/><BR/>I would be satisfied with Ridnour and Horford out of this draft. <BR/><BR/>Conley's size scares me, a lot of scouts question if he has the strength to take it two steps back to Pro 3-point line with any accuracy. I think that's a legit worry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-60312415433279436842007-06-27T10:05:00.000-05:002007-06-27T10:05:00.000-05:00phats- You're right, 3 and 11 are way to high to ...phats- You're right, 3 and 11 are way to high to pay for Marion, and I am not all that crazy about giving up both just for Amare. I'd also like to see a shitty contract taken off our hands in such a deal, or maybe get our draft pick (now belongs to Phoenix, re-protected).<BR/><BR/>Also. BIG F---ING NO TO BOYKINS.<BR/><BR/>I can't be more emphatic about that. The last thing we need is another undersized point who enjoys shooting the rock more than getting teammates involved. I have always held Boykins in the same class as Speedy Claxton, long before the Hawks-Speedy debacle.<BR/><BR/>Grandy- Pretty sure Barbosa is untouchable. Phoenix has him locked up for quite a few years at a reasonable price. They'd love to move Banks and Diaw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-44614551499829073982007-06-27T09:54:00.000-05:002007-06-27T09:54:00.000-05:00Can Barbosa be a true #1? The Diamond Cutter and ...Can Barbosa be a true #1? The Diamond Cutter and I were discussing this just this am - I hadn't yet seen the trade proposals. If so, it seems no-brainish. Though you have to worry about Stoudamire missing as much time as he has. <BR/><BR/>But I worry that we'd be getting a glorified SG in Barbosa, and that this could easily cause problems (not that he isn't a pretty good player). I need to take a deeper look at his past few seasons, clearly. <BR/><BR/>Still, Stoudamire is freakish when healthy. Joe Johnson seems capable of tailoring his game to the landscape - those high assists, low(er) scoring scretchs late in the season the past two years showed me some serious versatility.peacedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15474788565660706482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-51686115082832377542007-06-27T09:52:00.000-05:002007-06-27T09:52:00.000-05:00whoops, i guess i didn't read your last paragraphwhoops, i guess i didn't read your last paragraphAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-44845799615016754412007-06-27T09:48:00.000-05:002007-06-27T09:48:00.000-05:00what are your thoughts on the 3 way trade with the...what are your thoughts on the 3 way trade with the suns and wolves?<BR/><BR/>if we got amare for the 3 and 11, i'm slightly for it. i think it's too large a price to pay for marion. we still need a point if we traded the 3 and 11. sign boykins?<BR/><BR/>----<BR/>and i hate that we lost henry to barcaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com