tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post5754790107644928175..comments2024-03-18T03:54:51.354-05:00Comments on Braves & Birds: I'm Having a William Safire MomentMichaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08365733949431139562noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-17871365283411470572008-07-30T13:44:00.000-05:002008-07-30T13:44:00.000-05:00This information is all over the place. The Run an...This information is all over the place. The Run and Shoot Offense is a very explosive Offense and is run by VERY few teams. Hawaii, SMU, Portland St,an a couple smaller schools use the Run and Shoot. Texas Tech uses a pure spread offense, which is different from the Run and Shoot. But, the Run and Shoot termo is still installed in some offensive schemes. But the Run and Shoot is the Run and Shoot, no mixing. And Yes, Purdue DOES NOT at all run the Run and Shoot offense, not even close. The Run and Shoot is a pure system. The pass pro, WR routes and READS,qb roll and reads are not like any system in football.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-37099677603469751212008-07-17T13:44:00.000-05:002008-07-17T13:44:00.000-05:00Well, first I think we could probably agree on the...Well, first I think we could probably agree on the term "spread formation" for lining up in a shotgun with 3-4 wide receivers. Then we can come up with names for different styles of offenses that use the spread formation.<BR/><BR/>Why don't we just call the WVU-style offense the "spread-option" offense? Isn't that already a fairly accepted term? This would be for teams that are primarily rushing attacks that often use the zone-read option play.<BR/><BR/>Something like New England, Texas Tech, Purdue and maybe Northwestern (although they do more quarterback runs) could be called something like "West Coast Spread." This offense utilizes a lot of quick short routes in it's passing game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-42899055815394618212008-07-17T13:19:00.000-05:002008-07-17T13:19:00.000-05:00Spread-bone? I think we have a winner.Should the ...Spread-bone? I think we have a winner.<BR/><BR/>Should the Meyer spread be the Bi-Curious Spread? Or maybe just the Bi-Spread?Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08365733949431139562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-45127351197881978532008-07-17T08:20:00.000-05:002008-07-17T08:20:00.000-05:00i think Spread-Bone would be the best name for the...i think Spread-Bone would be the best name for the West Virginia/DickRod offense. where as Oregon and Urban Meyer's versions could best be called "Scorched Earth Spread". and then Texas Tech is now and forever the Spread and Shoot. i'm hoping Auburn's new version that everyone in these here parts is having so much fun calling the "Spread Eagle" (keep it classy Alabama) falls into the Meyer/Oregon camp.JR Suicidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14367778966328167533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-44774508321785406642008-07-16T11:48:00.000-05:002008-07-16T11:48:00.000-05:00Clemson threw for 210 per game in 2000 and 246 per...Clemson threw for 210 per game in 2000 and 246 per game (31st nationally) in 1999. Those Dantzler offenses were very well balanced. Also, Tulane led the nation in passing efficiency in '98 when RichRod was the OC there.<BR/><BR/>Peace, I thought about the Fun 'n' Gun, but it didn't use the shotgun, which seems to be a basic characteristic for a "spread" offense.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08365733949431139562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-85296073935027365362008-07-16T10:37:00.000-05:002008-07-16T10:37:00.000-05:00One small nit to pick,(RE: RRod at Clemson).The fi...One small nit to pick,(RE: RRod at Clemson).<BR/>The first "spread" offenses I remember seeing alot of, was the Woody Danzler era Clemson Offense, who seemed to almost never throw, or at least not effectively. I am sure you will now find stats that contradict my memory.<BR/>I'll show myself out...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-44257475382246061962008-07-16T10:01:00.000-05:002008-07-16T10:01:00.000-05:00Firstly, I don't like using Run & Shoot, since it ...Firstly, I don't like using Run & Shoot, since it was sort of the grandfather of all of these things and I don't feel like there is a true descendent (but I might be wrong about that).<BR/><BR/>Two, I agree with Ben, maybe we should talk about offenses in terms of the base set. Though I can see that not taking off because, you know, not sexy.<BR/><BR/>Also, Fun & Gun.<BR/><BR/>The run based spread either needs to be named *bone or the [something] Option, just for tradition's sake.peacedoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15474788565660706482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-35798955732566246422008-07-16T09:47:00.000-05:002008-07-16T09:47:00.000-05:00also, since you asked about mizzou. i believe they...also, since you asked about mizzou. i believe they got their base offense from urban meyer. so they probably go in the that category - basically spread teams (all based on rod's offense) that are more pass oriented, dont use a ton of zone read, and prefer to pass from a trips formationUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17451238702322123480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-12115052393247521002008-07-16T09:33:00.000-05:002008-07-16T09:33:00.000-05:00for texas tech, i tend to think of that less as th...for texas tech, i tend to think of that less as the "spread" (though it is a spread offense) and more as the "air raid" - based on the old hal mumme offense. kansas and arizona and a few others probably fall into that categoryUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17451238702322123480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-85263829928066821342008-07-16T09:23:00.000-05:002008-07-16T09:23:00.000-05:00i think it might be more useful to talk about offe...i think it might be more useful to talk about offense less as unified schemes and more the way we talk about defenses - ie what are the base formations a team uses and then what sort of plays/concepts does it use out of them. <BR/><BR/>most elite coaches are meshing various systems together. it's not like high school where they pick up the "how to run the read option" manual and implement it whole clothUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17451238702322123480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-90992263133834333912008-07-16T07:54:00.000-05:002008-07-16T07:54:00.000-05:00Good point. I need to sub-divide the pass-based s...Good point. I need to sub-divide the pass-based spread categories more. First, I need a better name for the "Fast Break" genre. Second, you're absolutely right that Purdue doesn't run a run 'n' shoot, nor does Missouri. I suspect that Michigan is going to look like those offenses this year because of the personnel that RR has to work with. Maybe they need their own category?<BR/><BR/>Really, I am OK with variation within some of the categories as long as we stop lumping Texas Tech and Illinois into the same "spread" pot.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08365733949431139562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-49148344507502729582008-07-16T07:38:00.000-05:002008-07-16T07:38:00.000-05:00these categories make some intuitive sense, but th...these categories make some intuitive sense, but they arent really schematically accurate at all. purdue most certainly does not run the run n shoot, for instance.<BR/><BR/> you're basically lumping a lot of different schemes into broad categories based on run/pass tendencies. i guess that's fine, but it doesnt really get you t the "precise" categories you wantedUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17451238702322123480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-78029841149840869532008-07-15T23:12:00.000-05:002008-07-15T23:12:00.000-05:00Very thought provoking post. One caveat that cros...Very thought provoking post. One caveat that crossed my mind; traditionally, the teams I know of that ran a "run & shoot" absolutely refused to use/incorporate a tight end. Thus, it might be slightly inaccurate to refer to teams that run "passing spreads" that incorporate tight ends as "run & shoot" teams. Another thought; traditional "r&s" teams incorporate far more "hot routes" than passing spread teams seem to. I might not be accurate on this point, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com