tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post8389202694577829363..comments2024-03-22T05:48:26.129-05:00Comments on Braves & Birds: Admit It, Anonymous Commenter, I'm RightMichaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08365733949431139562noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-22045870377865681172009-09-22T12:50:51.522-05:002009-09-22T12:50:51.522-05:00Anon,
Your defense of Tressel amounts to a claim ...Anon,<br /><br />Your defense of Tressel amounts to a claim that he has had two above-average offenses in nine years at Ohio State. I did like the offenses that he deployed with Troy Smith, but he is totally squandering Terrelle Pryor's talent. I refuse to believe that Pryor is the reason why OSU cannot run a bubble screen when USC has eight in the box against a shotgun formation. The fact that USC would do so is evidence that they looked at film and knew that Ohio State had no constraint plays. And what do you make of Gallippo's quote that USC knew that OSU had a "bootleg formation?" Regardless of Pryor's intelligence, Tressel is making his life harder by deploying formations that allow a team like USC to guess plays before they happen. Michigan was similarly predictable under Carr/Debord, but Michigan would do so to establish a tendency that they could break later on. If there was ever a time for OSU to break an established tendency, it was against USC.<br /><br />Jaybo Shaw doesn't have Forcier's passing ability. There's a reason why Johnson was able to peel Shaw away from Middle Tennessee State as opposed to a good program.<br /><br />Beamer is like Tressel in his disregard for moving the ball. The difference between the two of them is that one is at a top ten program and the other is at Virginia Tech.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08365733949431139562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-2699924655103961822009-09-17T12:09:20.916-05:002009-09-17T12:09:20.916-05:00No, you weren't right. Tressel had a rough ga...No, you weren't right. Tressel had a rough game, but you can't just ignore the quality and effectiveness of his 2005-2006 offenses. (Also, that article wasn't very good; that bubble screen formation was used as a decoy numerous times in 2005-2006, pretty effectively too. But that's a good discussion for a different day). They were some of the best in the country, and he obviously knew what to do with a mobile QB; Smith ran for 600 yards in 2005, they used spread formations and the read-option play, and Smith constantly recognized openings. Its less likely that Tressel forgot how to coach qbs or design offenses than it is that Pryor is just a dud. If Tressel's giving Pryor good coaching and Pryor just isn't learning, that isn't Tressel's fault. His fault in this situation is not recruiting a Troy Smith to compete for the spot with the new version of Zwick (Pryor). <br /><br />Aside from all that, 1) Johnson does have a player who is somewhat similar to Forcier; Jaybo Shaw, the backup QB who broke his collarbone before the season started. When he takes over the offense, you'll see a decent increase in its efficiency. 2) you put Frank Beamer 6 spots ahead of Tressel on your list. Beamer is doing far worse with Tyrod Taylor than Tressel is with Pryor. Frankly, Beamer's lost almost every big game he's coached in, and he's even more conservative (in some ways) than Tressel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-21657850524876759512009-09-16T10:28:25.124-05:002009-09-16T10:28:25.124-05:00Coach Auto, he very well may, but why would he? T...Coach Auto, he very well may, but why would he? To me, and it seems to most everyone else, that the USC game should have been a bigger priority win than the Michigan game would be. Or at least it was before this weekend, because looking at the their performances now makes it clear that the OSU-Mich game will not be as easy as they may have originally thought it would be.Jessenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-14570461743908322802009-09-16T10:24:51.238-05:002009-09-16T10:24:51.238-05:00This is true, Tressel should clearly be more run-o...This is true, Tressel should clearly be more run-oriented with Pryor than he ever was with Smith, and not only because of Pryor, but also because the overall quality of WR was much greater during Smith's time than it is now. At least, in my opinion it was.<br /><br />Oh absolutely Forcier could be used in Johnson's system. I think it would lead to a much more balanced offense than what we see now. Quite frankly, I'm not sure what to think about the passing game right now because Nesbitt has been and should be better than what we saw in the Clemson game. Having Forcier back there might have led to a better showing in the passing game.<br /><br />What Johnson ran last year, and the majority of what we'll see this year, is supposed to be the base of his system. From here, he can adapt it to the strengths and talents of the players available to him. If he can recruit a more prototypical passer and better WR's, then we would see more run & shoot, or the common "spread", style sets. I think Forcier is a better passer, while Nesbitt is the better runner. Though I really like what I saw from Forcier...<br /><br />And w/r/t the spreadsheet, I'm am most definitely interested in that. I know in one of my previous comments I rambled on about returning starters and their respective offensive and defensive production. Well, I'm still trying to find a way to automate the extraction without paying a service, but I assume that it would just take time. I just really think that there's something of value to be had from evaluating the returning production percentages versus simply looking at the number of returning starters. So by all means, let's dive into those spreadsheets.Jessenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-49834187060716120112009-09-16T10:24:13.444-05:002009-09-16T10:24:13.444-05:00Trying to remember back to 2006 - was the Michigan...Trying to remember back to 2006 - was the Michigan game the only time Tressel broke out the 5-wide set, or did he try to take advantage of Smith's running ability before that game? I don't follow tOSU much, but that's the only example I can think of in recent history of Tressel actually coming up with a wrinkly game plan. Semi related, would he maybe be saving some stuff for the Michigan game this year, explaining in part that sleep-inducing gameplan against USC?Coach Automobilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07869543917702772375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-38314688780823069522009-09-16T07:40:17.185-05:002009-09-16T07:40:17.185-05:00Pryor ought to fit the system that Tressel used wi...Pryor ought to fit the system that Tressel used with Troy Smith, although he would need to be more run-heavy with Pryor. Ohio State is going hard after Braxton Miller, who is going to be the #1 player in Ohio next year and is similar to Pryor, so Tressel clearly thinks that big, mobile quarterbacks are good for...whatever system it is that he runs.<br /><br />Speaking of systems, going back to our Paul Johnson vs. Rodriguez comparison, do you think that Johnson's offense could make use of a guy like Tate Forcier?<br /><br />One more thing: I have some thoughts on creating a spreadsheet looking at yards per play differentials over the past several years. We should discuss when the season is over.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08365733949431139562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11175154.post-23382168470268020442009-09-16T06:46:02.518-05:002009-09-16T06:46:02.518-05:00Haha, that was a good find Michael. Pure win!
An...Haha, that was a good find Michael. Pure win!<br /><br />And I completely agree w/r/t Tressel and Ohio St. Would this not be a perfect example of a coach recuiting a player that really doesn't fit his system?Jessenoreply@blogger.com